Resurrecting-how does in work in detail.

Urukki · Post by **Urukki** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:03 am

Hi everybody, i just downloaded this game yesterday and i am having much fun.
I'm curious about how exactly resurrecting somebody at a temple works since i already had to do it a few times before reaching second level with any char.
I remember that Bard's tale there was a risk of losing constitution making the whole process dangerous, is it the same with Devil's Whiskey?
Does resurrecting carry any additional costs accept the gold you have to pay?
And if not, what can stop me from just repeatedly raising everybody from the dead? Will the death of the entire party end the game?

HGamer · Post by **HGamer** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:17 am

AFAIK, no CON loss in DW, and no additional costs except the dead character(s) not getting experience for the fight(s) they missed.
Only death of everyone in party will get you Game Over.

Urukki · Post by **Urukki** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:45 am

Simple and fun then.
Don't you think it makes the game a bit too easy?
Heh, am i the only person in the world that enjoyed permantently losing my chars in a game called oubliette?
I guess limiting ressurections would be a nice idea, do the modding tools would make that possible maybe? An ironman mod?

Growler · Post by **Growler** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:43 pm

Quick way to make the game a bit tougher, you can play DW on the 'difficult/impossible' setting. But unless you're prepared to delve into modding--which surely has Some way of precluding/limiting resurrects...easiest of which might be to not have any Temples!

DW has (whether intentionally or not) quite a few ways of cheating...but that's part of the fun--trying to figure out all the ways, 'officially' or otherwise, to beat the game!
So reckon it's up to the player to self-impose limits.
or Not!

HGamer · Post by **HGamer** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:37 pm

One of the major complaints about the mod that I'm converting is that it was way too difficult at level 1. That was in the Bard's Tale Construction Set, and it was possible there to script a Temple that wouldn't do Resurrection, or even not define any spell that could bring characters back from being dead.
I'm allowing Temples in "The Bard's Lore" to do everything that they do in Devil Whiskey, mostly due to laziness on my part. And I can't alter the spell list in some respects, although I could overwrite the existing four-letter codes I guess.

One thing I'll have to address in the mod is the unintentional additional difficulty at level 1 caused by having random monsters in the starting town that don't drop any money. Very annoying to get torn to shreds by wild dogs, and only get experience for it - nothing to pay for the healing you need after.

As I've said before, if you want a challenge, consider playing with only one Half-Orc Hydromancer as the entire party.

Growler · Post by **Growler** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:14 pm

HG, how 'bout to help maintain a little realism, instead of changing to allow wild dogs to drop coin (Just Say No to Gambling wild dogs), let them drop a couple nice, jewel-encrusted collars which can be sold for serious coin. Always knocks me out of a game to get bizarre drops after a bruising battle. So stick to yer (original) guns! (mebe could decrease wild dog's dam age, so to speak)

Although it could make sense that Orks, for ex, drop something weird (say, shoe polish) since they might've recently fought & won it off a posse of preps. Just doesn't make sense for armless animals to be sportin' gold &/or great swords.

HGamer · Post by **HGamer** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:40 am

Growler, if that's the kind of realism you want, google "Kingdom of Loathing". I'm "Devil Whiskey" there.

Origen said something about reworking the monster list for a mod. But pending that, I was going to use the DW entries as a starting point and keep going. Will try to maintain some sense, e.g. huge rats don't normally carry anything except rat poop.

BTW Growler, what happens when you get to "0"?

Post by **Admin** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:17 pm

I like the Dog Collar idea... maybe they were once the beasts for the Wild Men or Nomads.

HGamer · Post by **HGamer** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:07 pm

Growler wants to encounter the Wild Women.

Actually, because I couldn't figure out a way to script buying an arbitrary item from a character, you can't sell to the shops in The Bard's Lore. The alternative would be to modify the store stock in the item list file, and re-use the stores already in Rennibister. The good news is that number of an item you can buy from shops is unlimited. Bad news is that you're extremely limited in types of items available, so the list doesn't scroll. Perhaps reusing several Rennibister stores is worth the effort...

origen · Post by **origen** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:37 pm

What I did was use Imperial Weapons as the only store in Skara Brae, and stocked it as I wish. That way, you can specify exactly how many of any item (or even an unlimited number) and you don't have to worry about complicated scripting.

Growler · Post by **Growler** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:46 pm

A Growler needs to encounter the Wild Women...please, just take my word on it. It's completely natural; yet anything but. Don't ask me to explain the gory details.

Re: what Admin said about wild dogs (perhaps) once being beasts of burden for wildmen/nomads--right on, it's always cool when there's bit of connecting back-story among the monsters, environs, etc.

HG, looked for ya in the forum list at KoL (under 'devilish whiskers'), but couldn't find you..

Reckon you meant as a player in the game, but not on forums? Anyhow, looked like an amusing setup...tho' I re:bell at mixing Martinis with Mithril..

The Wombat · Post by **The Wombat** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:01 pm

An Elven Martini?

No, a Perfect one!

HGamer · Post by **HGamer** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:40 pm

Ooops!

"DevilWhiskey" as a player on KoL, not on forums.

A "Perfect Martini", now there's a good item for both DW and KoL.